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ONC’s Interoperability Standards Advisory Twitter Chat Summary

Posted on September 2, 2016 I Written By

The following is a guest blog post by Steve Sisko (@ShimCode and

Yesterday the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology (ONC) hosted an open chat to discuss their DRAFT 2017 Interoperability Standards Advisory (ISA) artifacts.  The chat was moderated by Steven Posnak, Director, Office of Standards and Technology at Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information and used the #ISAchat hashtag under the @HealthIT_Policy account. The @ONC_HealthIT Twitter account also weighed in.

It was encouraging to see that the ONC hosted a tweetchat to share information and solicit feedback and questions from interested parties. After a little bit of a rough start and clarification of the objectives of the chat, the pace of interactions increased and some good information and ideas were exchanged. In addition, some questions were raised; some of which were answered by Steven Posnak and some of which were not addressed.

What’s This All About?

This post summarizes all of the tweets from the #ISAchat. I’ve organized the tweets as best as I could and I’ve excluded re-tweets and most ‘salutatory’ and ‘thank you’ tweets.

Note: The @hitechanswers  account shared a partial summary of the #ISAchat on 8/31/16 but it included less than half of the tweets shared in this post. So you’re getting the complete scoop here.

Topic 1: Tell us about the ISA (Interoperability Standards Advisory)
Account Tweet Time
@gratefull080504 Question: What is the objective of #ISAchat?   12:04:35
@onc_healthit To spread the word and help people better understand what the ISA is about 12:05:00
@gratefull080504 Question: What are today’s objectives, please? 12:08:43
@onc_healthit Our objective is to educate interested parties. Answer questions & hear from the creators 12:11:02
@johnklimek “What’s this I hear about interoperability?” 12:12:00
@cperezmha What is #PPDX? What is #HIE? What is interoperability? What is interface? #providers need to know the differences. Most do not. 12:14:41
@techguy Who is the target audience for these documents? 12:44:06
@healthit_policy HITdevs, CIOs, start-ups, fed/state gov’t prog admins. Those that have a need to align standards 4 use #ISAchat 12:46:18
@ahier No one should have to use proprietary standards to connect to public data #ISAchat 12:46:19
@shimcode Reference Materials on ISA
Ok then, here’s the “2016 Interoperability Standards Advisory”
@shimcode And here’s “Draft 2017 Interoperability Standards Advisory” 12:07:38
@stephenkonya #ICYMI Here’s the link to the @ONC_HealthIT 2017 DRAFT Interoperability Standards Advisory (ISA): 12:10:57
@techguy Question: Do you have a good summary blog post that summarizes what’s available in the ISA? 12:52:15
@onc_healthit We do! Authored by @HealthIT_Policy and Chris Muir – both of whom are in the room for #ISAchat 12:53:15
@healthit_policy Good? – The ISA can help folks better understand what standards are being implemented & at what level 12:06:29
@healthit_policy Getting more detailed compared to prior versions due largely to HITSC & public comments 12:29:48
@healthit_policy More work this fall on our side to make that come to fruition. In future, we’re aiming for a “standards wikipedia” approach 12:33:03
@survivorshipit It would be particularly helpful to include cited full documents to facilitate patient, consumer participation 12:40:22
@davisjamie77 Seeing lots of references to plans to “explore inclusion” of certain data. Will progress updates be provided? 12:50:00
@healthit_policy 1/ Our next milestone will be release of final 2017 ISA in Dec. That will rep’snt full transition to web 12:51:15
@healthit_policy 2/ after that future ISA will be updated more regularly & hopefully with stakeholder involved curation 12:52:21
@bjrstn Topic:  How does the ISA link to the Interoperability Roadmap? 12:51:38
@cnsicorp How will #ISA impact Nationwide Interoperability Roadmap & already established priorities? 12:10:49
@healthit_policy ISA was 1st major deliverable concurrent w/ Roadmap. Will continue to b strong/underlying support to work 12:13:49
@healthit_policy ISA is 1 part of tech & policy section of Roadmap. Helps add transparency & provides common landscape 12:53:55
@healthit_policy Exciting thing for me is the initiated transition from PDF to a web-based/interactive experience w/ ISA 12:30:51
@onc_healthit Web-based version of the ISA can be found here: We welcome comments! 12:32:04
@techguy Little <HSML> From a Participant on the Ease of Consuming ISA Artifacts
So easy to consume!
@healthit_policy If I knew you better I’d sense some sarcasm :) that said, working on better nav approaches too 12:43:36
@techguy You know me well. It’s kind of like the challenge of EHRs. You can only make it so usable given the reqs. 12:45:36
@shimcode I think John forgot to enclose his tweet with <HSML> tags (Hyper Sarcasm Markup Language) 12:46:48
@ahier Don ‘t Use My Toothbrush!
OH (Overheard) at conference “Standards are like toothbrushes, everyone has one and no one wants to use yours”
Topic 2: What makes this ISA different than the previous drafts you have issued?
Account Tweet Time
@cnsicorp #Interoperability for rural communities priority 12:32:40
@healthit_policy Rural, underserved, LTPAC and other pieces of the interoperability puzzle all important #ISAchat 12:35:33
@cnsicorp “more efficient, closer to real-time updates and comments…, hyperlinks to projects…” 12:47:15
@shimcode Question: So you’re not providing any guidance on the implementation of interoperability standards? Hmm… 12:21:10
@gratefull080504 Question: Are implementation pilots planned? 12:22:51
@healthit_policy ISA reflects what’s out there, being used & worked on. Pointer to other resources, especially into future #ISAchat 12:24:10
@ahier The future is here it’s just not evenly distributed (yet) #ISAchat 12:25:15
@healthit_policy Yes, we put out 2 FOAs for High Impact Pilots & Standards Exploration Awards 12:25:56
@healthit_policy HHS Announces $1.5 Million in Funding Opportunities to Advance Common Health Data Standards. Info here:
Topic 3: If you had to pick one of your favorite parts of the ISA, what would it be?
Account Tweet Time
@shimcode The “Responses to Comments Requiring Additional Consideration” section. Helps me understand ONC’s thinking. 12:45:32
@healthit_policy Our aim is to help convey forward trajectory for ISA, as we shift to web, will be easier/efficient engagement 12:47:47
@healthit_policy Depends on sections. Some, like #FHIR, @LOINC, SNOMED-CT are pointed to a bunch. 12:49:15
@gratefull080504 Question: What can patients do to support the objectives of #ISAchat ? 12:07:02
@gratefull080504 Question: Isn’t #ISAChat for patients? Don’t set low expectations for patients 12:10:44
@gratefull080504 I am a patient + I suffer the consequences of lack of #interoperability 12:12:26
@healthit_policy Certainly want that perspective, would love thoughts on how to get more feedback from patients on ISA 12:12:35
@gratefull080504 What about patients? 12:13:03
@gratefull080504 First step is to ensure they have been invited. I am happy to help you after this chat 12:13:57
@survivorshipit Think partly to do w/cascade of knowledge–>as pts know more about tech, better able to advocate 12:15:21
@healthit_policy Open door, numerous oppty for comment, and representation on advisory committees. #MoreTheMerrier 12:15:52
@gratefull080504 I am currently on @ONC_HealthIT Consumer Advisory Task Force Happy to contribute further 12:17:08
@healthit_policy 1 / The ISA is technical in nature, & we haven’t gotten any comments on ISA before from patient groups 12:08:54
@healthit_policy 2/ but as we look to pt generated health data & other examples of bi-directional interop, we’d like to represent those uses in ISA 12:09:51
@resultant TYVM all! Trying to learn all i can about #interoperability & why we’re not making progress patients expect 13:09:22
@shimcode Question: Are use cases being developed in parallel with the Interoperability Standards? 12:13:28
@shimcode Value of standards don’t lie in level of adoption of std as a whole, but rather in implementation for a particular use case. 12:16:33
@healthit_policy We are trying to represent broader uses at this point in the “interoperability need” framing in ISA 12:18:58
@healthit_policy 2/ would be great into the future to have more detailed use case -> interop standards in the ISA with details 12:19:49
@healthit_policy Indeed, royal we will learn a lot from “doing” 12:20:40
@shimcode IHE Profiles provide a common language to discuss integration needs of healthcare sites and… Info here: 12:29:12
@techguy I’d love to see them take 1 section (say allergies) and translate where we’d see the standards in the wild. 12:59:04
@techguy Or some example use cases where people want to implement a standard and how to use ISA to guide it. 13:00:38
@healthit_policy Check out links now in ISA to the Interop Proving Ground – projects using #ISAchat standards. Info here: 13:02:54
@healthit_policy Thx for feedback, agree on need to translate from ISA to people seeing standards implemented in real life 13:01:08
@healthit_policy Commenting on ISA Artifacts
We want to make the #ISA more accessible, available, and update-able to be more current compared to 1x/yr publication
@cperezmha #interoperability lowers cost and shows better outcomes changing the culture of healthcare to be tech savvy is key 12:35:10
@healthit_policy One new feature we want to add to web ISA is citation ability to help document what’s happ’n with standards 12:37:12
@shimcode A “discussion forum” mechanism where individual aspects can be discussed & rated would be good. 12:39:53
@healthit_policy Good feedback. We’re looking at that kind of approach as an option. ISA will hopefully prompt debate 12:40:50
@shimcode Having to scroll through all those PDF’s and then open them 1 by 1 only to have to scroll some more is VERY inefficient. 12:41:25
@shimcode Well, I wouldn’t look/think too long about it. Adding that capability is ‘cheap’ & can make it way easier on all. 12:43:48
@shimcode Question: What Can Be Learned About Interoperability from the Private Sector?
Maybe @ONC_HealthIT can get input from Apple’s latest #healthIT purchase/Gliimpse? What do they know of interoperability?
@healthit_policy > interest from big tech cos and more mainstream awareness is good + more innovation Apple iOS has CCDA sprt 12:22:59
@drewivan Testing & Tools
I haven’t had time to count, but does anyone know approximately how many different standards are included in the document?
@healthit_policy Don’t know stat off had, but we do identify and provide links for test tools as available. 12:56:31
@drewivan And what percentage of them have test tools available? 12:54:38
@shimcode According to the 2017 ISA stds just released, a tiny fraction of them have test tools. See here: 12:58:02
@shimcode I take back “tiny faction” comment on test tools. I count 92 don’t have test tools, 46 do. No assessment of tool quality though. 13:08:31
@healthit_policy Testing def an area for pub-private improvement, would love to see # increase, with freely available too 12:59:10
@techguy A topic near and dear to @interopguy’s heart! 12:59:54
@resultant Perhaps we could replace a couple days of HIMSS one year with #interoperability testing? #OutsideBox 13:02:30
Walk on Topic: Promotion of ISA (Thank you @cperezmha)
What can HIE clinics do to help other non-users get on board? Is there a certain resource we should point them too to implement?
Account Tweet Time
@davisjamie77 Liking the idea of an interactive resource library. How will you promote it to grow use? 12:35:57
@healthit_policy A tweetchat of course! ;) Also web ISA now linking to projects in the Interoperability Proving Ground 12:39:04
@davisjamie77 Lol! Of course! Just seeing if RECs, HIEs, other #HIT programs might help promote. 12:40:44
@healthit_policy Exactly… opportunities to use existing relationships and comm channels ONC has to spread the word 12:41:28
@stephenkonya Question: How can we better align public vs private #healthcare delivery systems through #interoperability standards? 12:42:23
Miscellaneous Feedback from Participants
Account Tweet Time
@ahier Restful APIs & using JSON and other modern technologies 12:54:03
@waynekubick Wayne Kubick joining from #HL7 anxious to hear how #FHIR and #CCDA can help further advance #interoperability. 12:11:30
@resultant We all do! The great fail of #MU was that we spent $38B and did not get #interoperability 12:14:21
@waynekubick SMART on #FHIR can help patients access and gain insights from their own health data — and share it with care providers. 12:17:44
@resultant I think throwing money at it is the only solution… IMHO providers are not going to move to do it on their own… 12:20:44
@shimcode @Search_E_O your automatic RT’s of the #ISAChat tweets are just clouding up the stream. Why? smh 12:08:30
Do you see #blockchain making it into future ISA
@healthit_policy Phew… toughy. lots of potential directions for it. Going to segue my response into T2 12:28:58
@hitpol #blockchain for healthcare! ➡ @ONC_HealthIT blockchain challenge. Info here: 12:31:33
@healthit_policy That’s All Folks!
Thank you everyone for joining our #ISAchat! Don’t forget to leave comments.
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One EHR Vendor’s Experience with Meaningful Use Stage 2 Certification

Posted on January 3, 2014 I Written By

John Lynn is the Founder of the blog network which currently consists of 10 blogs containing over 8000 articles with John having written over 4000 of the articles himself. These EMR and Healthcare IT related articles have been viewed over 16 million times. John also manages Healthcare IT Central and Healthcare IT Today, the leading career Health IT job board and blog. John is co-founder of and John is highly involved in social media, and in addition to his blogs can also be found on Twitter: @techguy and @ehrandhit and LinkedIn.

I always love hearing from the CEO of EHR vendors. One that never disappoints is a man that most people in the EHR world have probably never heard of. His name is Michael Archuleta and he’s the Founder and CEO of a company called ArcSys (RedPlanet is their EHR). In response to my article on ComChart not going after meaningful use certification, he sent me a newsletter he recently sent his staff and some other side comments. They provide some real insight into the 2014 certification process and meaningful use stage 2.

Excerpts from the newsletter:

ArcSys has invested heavily in meeting the demands of Meaningful Use Stage 2. Whereas we thought Stage 1 was difficult, Stage 2 has taken substantially more time to meet the requirements.

We are not alone in meeting these challenging complexities. In reading the Internet chatter, there are other vendors who are facing the daunting task at hand.

ComChart Medical Software, has thrown in the towel by saying, “In addition to the Meaningful Use mandates, there continues to be a never ending stream of new mandates such as ICD-10, PQRI, Meaningful Use 2, Meaningful Use 3, SNOMED, ePrescribing, LOINC, Direct Project, health information exchanges etc. As a result of the mountain of mandates, ComChart EMR and the other small EMR companies will have to choose to implement the mandates or use their resources to add “innovative” features to their EMR. Unfortunately, the small EMR companies do not have the resources to do both.”

Obviously, ArcSys does not share this same viewpoint. If we can do it, then it means anyone should have been able to do it, too. We are either smarter (not true) or we had a superior software design from the beginning (probably quite true). The first round of software development has now been completed and we are prepared for certification. Our certifier, the Drummond Group, has a backlog of systems to be tested and have given us a mid-April test date. Having completed this development, we know with great precision what each doctor will have to do in order to meet MU2. And, yes, it will be difficult.

There are 37 testing “points” that we have focused on. It took us two months to do 36 of these points and another two months to do the remaining point (clinical quality measures). Many of the testing points had literally hundreds of scenarios to evaluate. There were situations we would discover after working for weeks that necessitated going back to the beginning and having to start over on retests.

Now for some really interesting bullet points on meaningful use stage 2 certification:

ArcSys has to be the tiniest company on the planet seeking MU2 certification.

Yes, I dislike the extra burdens being placed on providers for MU2.
Yes, I dislike the vague (non-existent?) guidelines on how to properly use SNOMED, Rxnorm, and LOINC.
Yes, I dislike the committees who dream up measures and certification rules that have little relevance to how docs like to treat and interact with patients. Do they really believe MU2 and seeing 40+ patients/day can co-exist??
Yes, I have written every line of code for our product to handle MU2 and I know of flaws and weaknesses the testing tools are ignoring.
Yes, I hate being pulled away from being able to work on software enhancements.
Yes, we were naive in thinking that MU2 would take as much time as MU1 to develop and test. It was easily 10 times more complicated.
Yes, I dislike wading through the Google/JIRC posts to see what other hapless souls like me our stumbling for answers regarding certification.
Yes, it is nearly impossible to read any document produced by and find helpful guidelines.
Yes, I dislike the Cypress testing tool.
Yes, I dislike the XML bloat for reporting measures and transporting patient data.

So, why do we continue? Simple. We made a commitment to our client base who likes our service and support. And, in the end, we’ll be as conversant as anyone on the ins and outs of MU2.

How’s that for a real look at some of the nitty gritty EHR vendors face when it comes to 2014 Certification and meaningful use stage 2?