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My guess is that many of you are using an HL7 interface between your EMR and your lab. How does your EMR handle the signing of lab results?

We worked for an entire year testing, making requests, testing, more requests and more testing before we were able to launch an interface between our lab and EMR, but it’s been one of the best things we’ve done. The reason it took so long is the topic of another post, but it was for good reason.

One of the best advantages to a lab interface with your EMR is that you don’t have to worry about what to do with all those paper labs that you’ve signed. Inevitably all those signed paper labs will have to be scanned and attached to a patient in your EMR.

Really, that’s why a lab interface is so much better. The interface inserts the lab info right into your EMR so you don’t have to worry about:
1. Losing your lab results (before or after you sign it)
2. No need to scan your signed lab results into your EMR
3. You can run really cool reports on the data from those labs in your EMR (ie. blood sugar change over time)
4. Most EMR will notify you that there are lab results to read, so there’s no more waiting for the paper to somehow make it to you

In our EMR, a lab result gets easily signed off with the click of a check mark. Actually our labs our grouped into batches according to labs that were ordered at the same time. This makes it so all our lab results appear on one nice lab report as opposed to one lab report per lab. All doctors have to do is highlight all the labs and click “Mark as Read” and that whole batch of lab results are signed electronically in the EMR.

Of course, many of you will probably ask how we handle abnormal results. Well, I guess you’ll just have to wait to learn about that.

Some people have asked me how I rate the EMR I work with every day. I can’t bring myself to do it. It’s unfair to me and the people I work with. It’s not that I don’t have strong feelings about my EMR. I really do. I know the pros and cons, the ins the outs, and everything in between. However, it’s just hard rating my EMR and hopefully I can help you understand why.

My job is to implement this EMR the best way possible. That’s what I do. It doesn’t matter if it’s good bad or ugly. It’s counter productive for me to rate how good my EMR is. It is what it is. I haven’t been assigned the task of selecting an EMR. I’m not paid right now to see what other EMR vendors might be better than the one I have. I’m paid to do my very best at implementing the EMR that was chosen.

I don’t want to sound harsh here, but I think that many of the EMR failures are due to people worrying too much about what other EMR software can do and not enough about what their EMR software can do. The question shouldn’t ever be, can our EMR software do this? Instead you should ask, “how can we do this with the EMR software we’ve chosen?” This is two very different perspectives that reap very different results.

I’m not talking about someone who is in the process of selecting an EMR. I’m talking about someone who has already selected an EMR. It reminds me about one of my favorite quotes about marriage that says, “When you’re dating keep both eyes wide open, when you get married keep them closed.” You could just as easily say, “When selecting an EMR keep both eyes wide open, but once you’ve chosen an EMR keep both eyes closed and make the most of it.”

Of course, one thing I can’t help doing is answering people’s questions about EMR. I’ve had dozens of people call me about my EMR and I just love talking to them about the benefits, challenges and hassles of my EMR.

I came across an interesting idea today from the Change Now 4 Health community where they are giving away $10k for the best healthcare idea. They are calling it Innovation xChange. Here’s a summary of what they’re trying to do:

Do you want to improve the U.S. health care system? Or at least be part of the much-needed dialogue?

If you have ideas or solutions to improve the system, submit your ideas through ChangeNow4Health’s Innovation xChange and you can win up to $10,000 or have your ideas published in the e-book, Tomorrow’s Health Care.

The Innovation xChange is looking for practical ideas and suggestions for improving the health care system. All participants in the system, from providers and health plans to consumers and government, are encouraged to join in the discussion.

$10k isn’t a ton of money, but for just submitting an idea it’s not too bad. It’ll be interesting to see what happens with the contest and what kind of creative ideas come out of it. I wonder if any EMR applications or EMR features will make it into the contest.

I just completed my very last class of my educational career (I’ll graduate with my Masters in IS on Saturday. Yeah Me!). My last class was a Business Intelligence class. While I wasn’t necessarily fond of this class or the teacher, I am definitely interested in business intelligence.

Business Intelligence to me is really just about being able to look at large amounts of data in really cool ways. EMR is basically synonymous with the concept of large amounts of data. Each and every day thousands of really interesting pieces of information are being entered into an EMR. Many times this data is organized in such a way that in can be easily accessed and reported on.

For my class, we’ve been using SQL Server 2005’s business intelligence components. While Microsoft may have its downfalls, they really have put some thought and effort into SQL Server 2005’s BI components. For my final project, I decided to extract some appointment data from my EMR (yes, I guess it’s really my PMS, except for things like the room for the appointment) and run some BI analysis on the EMR data.

I actually had to anonymize all the EMR data before using it, because I was working in a group where they weren’t allowed access to all the HIPAA related information. However, it wasn’t too big of a deal in the end. Although, it does lose some of the reporting ability when you do that.

Since we ended up only pulling out simple appointment data from the EMR database, we could only really run reports about appointments. Don’t get me wrong. There is some really cool stuff you can report on appointments. We reported on appointments by date (this includes day, month, quarter, year, etc), provider, gender, birthdate, ethnicity, etc. We also uploaded the room number that an appointment used so that we could measure the utilization of our exam rooms. Luckily our EMR stored all the information about exam rooms. We also pulled in the data that described when a patient arrived at the clinic, when the nurse started the intake and when the provider finally saw them. We haven’t actually built any reports on that time study data, but it would be really interesting.

That’s really just the beginning of what we were able to do with the EMR data, but I think you get the point. The real question at this point is what other EMR data could benefit from some quality BI analysis? Here’s a few of my thoughts:

-Blood pressure - Depending on how this is stored will determine how easy it is to report. However, it would be really interesting to see trends in blood pressure across our entire population. Add in a few filters for certain medications and you could see some amazing results
-Average Charge per Patient - Could be interesting to look at this and identify which patients are the most profitable. Wait, doctors aren’t about profit are they?
-Average Number of Visits per Patient - Would be interesting to see this grouped too.

Those are just a few off the top of my head. I’m sure there are a hundred more that could be done with diagnosis, prescriptions, charges, procedures, referrals, etc etc etc. Which reports would you find interesting from the data in your EMR?

The best part of this all is that in the next couple weeks I have planned to upgrade my EMR from SQL Server 2000 to SQL Server 2005. That means that I could really easily use all th SQL Server BI tools to create the various BI reports with all the data in my EMR.

Has anyone else done this type of EMR reporting before?

Recently I’ve been reading a fair amount about the movement that many are calling Health 2.0. I think the most simple description of Health 2.0 is applying many of the Web 2.0 concepts to health care. My question is whether EMR fits into Health 2.0. My personal feeling is that most of them don’t. Most Web 2.0 projects are consumer facing projects that allow people to interact, collaborate and participate in the process. EMR software is more about facilitating a doctor’s charting.

Certainly you could make a good case that a patient portal or EHR is more Health 2.0. In fact, that really seems to cut to the heart of Health 2.0. Creating a powerful interface between doctors and patients so that patients are a part of the process. However, I think that most EMR in their current state don’t benefit from this type of interaction.

Of course, this begs the question of whether an EMR should have this type of interaction. My short answer is that it should, but until the payment systems catch up with the technology that creates these interactions we won’t see broad Health 2.0 application to EMR software.

A little while back I got an email asking me if I was interested in writing an article for Medscape about “Choosing an EMR.” I figured that might be a fun experience considering I’d written so much about the topic of choosing an EMR on this blog that it would be pretty easy to do.

Luckily, all went well and they accepted the article that I wrote and published it to their site. I think the article turned out pretty good and offers some decent insight for someone interested in selecting an EMR. I think the selection process is probably the EMR industries biggest barrier to adoption right now. The technology is certainly there now, but there are just too many choices right now that it is really hard for a doctor to know which EMR is best for them. Unfortunately, many just choose to not make a decision and just continue on with paper charts. Hopefully this article will help a few doctors offices get on the right track and implement an EMR successfully.

In the end, it was a really fun experience going through the process of writing an article that’s going to be published. It’s much more difficult than writing about EMR on this blog. It took hours of work for me to write that article. I wanted to make sure that I provided significant value to the readers of the article and that I didn’t leave anything important out. By comparison, this post that I’m writing now won’t take more than 10 minutes. Blogging is better that way, because I know that my insightful readers will correct me if I post something that’s way off kilter.

At the end of the day, it’s really fun to see my writing published and my name alongside a contribution to the medical community. I also got a big kick the other day when I was helping one of my PA’s with something and I saw he subscribed to Medscape. Made me feel good that I was being published in what he considered to be a credible medical source.

One final thought, I’d love to hear people’s feedback on my article “Choosing an EMR.” Leave all your thoughts, good and bad, in the comments.

Just the other day I saw an old link to an EMR Jobs website. Of course, I’m always interested in seeing what type of EMR jobs are out there. I’m not currently looking for a new job, but I do finish my masters degree in May and so I may be looking for a new job in the EMR, EHR, Healthcare or possibly IT area soon. However, I was a little bit saddened by the list of jobs on that EMR job website. I even took a look at EMR jobs on Indeed.com to see what they had to offer. Looks like there is some decent potential there. A search on Monster for EMR jobs left me less enthusiastic.

Honestly, most of the jobs listed required specific knowledge of an EMR software. This really surprised me. Seriously, the EMR systems aren’t that different and an intense 2 days of training/playing on an EMR system and you’ll get a pretty good idea of that EMR. Certainly it makes sense to put that knowledge of the EMR is preferred, but often I think that someone without the cultural baggage of poor implementations or other biases might be better than someone with previous experience with the EMR. In fact, from a product perspective having a fresh set of eyes to give new feedback and suggestions could be incredibly valuable to a company.

In the end, I have a feeling that searching any of these job boards won’t be nearly as valuable as connecting to people you know. I guess that’s why I think this EMR and HIPAA blog could be very valuable for my career. Anyone else have advice for those looking to work in the EMR field?

As many of you know, I love getting comments on my blog. Plus, comments on my blog often ask very good questions that I prefer to just answer as a separate blog post. I’ve considered a few times trying to integrate something that would allow people to ask questions that I could then answer, but I’ve never found just the right solution. Until then, just leave a comment and I’ll reply as best I can.

The following quotes are from a comment Sean made on my Choosing and EMR or EHR post.

Eric,

I’m not sure how he got my name as Eric since it’s not Eric. Possibly he was confusing it with my post about Eric Schmidt’s Google Health Announcement at HIMSS. I really don’t mind what you call me as long as you leave insightful comments and questions.

Thanks for the informative blog. I hope others have found it as interesting as I have.

Thanks. I’ll pay you later for the compliment.

I have a question about EMR implementation & you may be able to provide a good answer: When a practice adopts an EMR solution, what is the process by which all of the existing files get scanned & imported to the EMR? Do practices send their files to an outsourced (and presumably HIPAA compliant) scanning company? Or do they buy a scanner & have the staff or temps scan them in bulk? Or do they scan patient files as those patients come to the office?

Do you have any insights here? Seems like a big part of the process, but I’m having trouble finding information about it.

Of course, the obvious answer to your question is Yes! The reality is that every method you describe above has been done. I personally recommend sending the files to an outsourced HIPAA compliant scanning company. It’s a pretty smooth process to send them out and the company can often index them in such a way that you can access those files quickly if needed. I say I prefer this way, because we found that in the majority of cases there wasn’t a need to look back at the paper charts. In the beginning of our EMR use, we would pull the chart for each patient. After doing this for a short period, our clinicians found that more often than not, they didn’t have a need to see the paper chart. So, we decided to stop pulling the charts unless a clinician made a specific request.

I can imagine that this may not be realistic for many people. My clinic works with a younger population which don’t usually have an extensive medical history. However, our experience provides a good insight for other practices. Take a second to notice how often you look into the paper chart. How often do you need the information from past visits found in the paper chart? If you are like us and rarely needed the past history, then why waste your time pulling charts and scanning them individually?

For those that feel they need to see a past chart, you might consider my previous post about “Thinning Out the Chart for Scanning to an EMR.” The idea is just pulling out the relevant information that needs to be inputed into the EMR. The rest of the information can remain in the paper chart.

If you decide to start scanning the charts in yourself, I think it’s a good idea to scan as you go. I don’t expect that most offices have an abundance of people that are just sitting around needing something to do (ie. scanning). Scanning is an tedious process and it’s better to bite it off in little chunks. Then, once you’ve made a dent into the past charts, you can consider doing a bulk scan or sending it out to a third party scanner to clean things out.

I think the key milestone to achieve with your EMR is to reach a point where you no longer have need of a paper chart. This really takes a change of perspective for most people. It’s so easy to just drop a paper into a chart. Your medical records staff are probably trained well enough to create charts in their sleep. Teaching them to scan all the paper into your EMR takes focus and effort. However, with a little work it becomes second nature and people won’t remember what it was like to have paper charts.

Thanks very much in advance.

Thanks for stopping by EMR and HIPAA and asking some very good questions. A blog becomes much more interesting when their is interaction with the end users.

I think that Google is confused about my blog. I don’t think it knows if it should categorize me as an EMR blog or as a HIPAA blog. In fact, sometimes it even thinks I’m an EHR blog which is perfectly fine by me. Right now I think that Google thinks that I’m a HIPAA blog, but quite honestly I think I’d rather be an EMR blog. Sure, I cover HIPAA and some of the various HIPAA related news on here. In fact, it’s kind of hard to cover EMR and not cover certain aspects of HIPAA. However, I think at the end of the day I’m more interested in EMR and EHR and I really don’t care about HIPAA. It’s a necessary evil.

I guess I’ll have to focus more of my posts on EMR and EHR and stop using that naughty H word since Google seems to like to classify with that H word when I want to show up for EMR and EHR. At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter too much, but as a tech person I always think it’s fun to see what the Google bots see in my content. It’s kind of a way to justify myself that the bots are happy and classify me as an authority on a subject.

Are you listening Google bots? I’m an EHR and EMR blog. Make sure I make it to the top of searches related to EMR and EHR. That’s really where I’m meant to be. I can feel it in my bones. Well, at least that’s who I want to be.

Today I found a really interesting article in Utah’s local paper the Deseret Morning News. In the story, a box of medical charts was lost by UPS after being sent from a Hospital to somewhere in Las Vegas for a medicare audit. You can read the article for all the facts, but essentially the box somehow got misdirected and ended up being bought by a Utah school teacher purchasing some “scrap” paper.

I was kind of surprised by how long it took the hospital to get in touch with UPS after the box was lost. Ok, so I’m not really surprised that the hospital is not watching all of the HIPAA information they sent out to make sure that it arrives safely, but maybe it should. UPS has some pretty incredible tracking tools these days that really aren’t that hard to use.

The other interesting thing to consider is how these types of audits/information transfer happens in an electronic world. I know that we transfer eligibility lists to insurance companies using Secure FTP and that works quite well. We’ve worked with a scanning company who is scanning our old paper charts and when we need to access one of those old records, they send us an encrypted file through email. That works pretty smoothly.

Unfortunately, I think if a patient wants a record right now or if we needed to send some health information out for an audit (not sure why we would need to) then we’d have to pretty much just print out the electronic record like we do when a patient makes a . In fact, we’ve even made a request to our EMR software company to give us a one click method that will allow us to print the entire chart. It’s a pain to print out everything in the paper chart from what’s scanned in, to prescriptions, to lab results, to referrals, etc etc etc. Any EMR companies have a better way to do this?